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‎Fourth movie

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‎Indiana Jones

Seth at 21:47, 9 May 2009

2009-05-09T21:47:25Z

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===Indiana Jones===
And why the fourth movie was so bad

Indy started in '77 on a beach, SPielburg and Lucas. plyboy alcoholic playboy in manhatten fighting nazis, plot built over a sandcastle. cigarrette habit dropped to

*19 years later

===Fourth movie===
Indiana is a series not a serial
*ageless, archetypal american hero
*1992 Indiana Jones Chronicles to fill in backstroy

These attempts subvery timelessness with details.

Eco distinguishes between Series and Saga. Saga has time over generations. By giving Indy a birth and death, old and youth, he becomes a saga.

As a franchise it shifted from cinematic to products, moving emphasis to images and the idea, the essence is diluted.

Lucas, after 19 years, a generation, is forced to accomodate two audiences in one movie. By this account, he failed.

By 2008, too burdened by backstory. moving to 1950 complicated things too much.

===The romance===
He was a smart guy. Indy doesn't do anything int he new movie, just wears fedora and leather jacket.

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 ===Fourth movie===
-Indiana is a series not a serial
+Indiana Jones is a series, not a saga.  Check it: Our man is an ageless, archetypal American hero. But, Lucas being Lucas (i.e., having a penchant for pummeling things into the ground), he created the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles in 1992.  Here we see see Indy as a five-year old, as a teen, and as, god dammit, a 93-year old man.
-*ageless, archetypal american hero
-*1992 Indiana Jones Chronicles to fill in backstroy
-These attempts subvery timelessness with details.
+These attempts subvert timelessness with details.
-Eco distinguishes between Series and Saga.  Saga has time over generations.  By giving Indy a birth and death, old and youth, he becomes a saga.
+Umberto Eco distinguishes between Series and Saga.  Saga has time over generations.  By giving Indy a birth and death, parents, he becomes a saga.
 As a franchise it shifted from cinematic to products, moving emphasis to images and the idea, the essence is diluted.

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 And why the fourth movie was so bad
-Indy started in '77 on a beach, SPielburg and Lucas.  plyboy alcoholic playboy in manhatten fighting nazis, plot built over a sandcastle.  cigarrette habit dropped to
+Indy started in '77 on a beach. Spielberg and Lucas sweating it out while waiting for the Star Wars box office returns when Stevie brings up the idea of a gadgetless James Bond.  And so is born the character (Indiana Smith): an alcoholic (later dropped) Manhattan playboy (ditto) fighting Nazis, based on the serials of the 1930s.  Entire plot built over a sandcastle.
 *19 years later