Seth at 00:10, 8 October 2009

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Seth at 00:10, 8 October 2009

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New page

:''Talk page moved from [[Template talk:2x2 game]]'' ~ [[User:Trialsanderrors|trialsanderrors]] 08:30, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

{{GameTheoryProject|class=NA|importance=mid}}

==deliberating==
A couple of things I've been deliberating:
* Should the title of the game appear as a caption?
* Should [[payoff matrix]] appear somewhere in the template?
* Should the payoffs for both player appear in one field? (<tt>PayoffUL = 1, 2</tt>)
* Should the template be renamed "Template:Payoff matrix" to accommodate future expansion to 2x3 and 3x3 games?
Any input is appreciated. ~ [[User:Trialsanderrors|trialsanderrors]] 00:42, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

:Hmm. Here are my thought:
:* Caption: I don't think its needed. I like the title above better and both would be redundant.
:* "Payoff matrix" I don't know about others, but I usually wikilink payoff matrix when talking about it in the article, so this shouldn't be necessary
:* Single field: This might not be a bad idea, it would enable other types of matrices (where only the row payoff is presented for instance, cf. [[Payoff matrix]]).
:* The only nxn game matrix we have is on [[Nash equilibrium]], I think. So, it might be more work than necessary. Perhaps we should only cross this bridge if we need to.
:None of my opinions are particularly strong, so if anyone has any strong opinions... --''best, kevin'' [[[User:Kzollman|kzollman]]][[[User talk:Kzollman|talk]]] 01:57, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

::I agree with Kevin here, except that I have a weak preference for payoff in separate fields. That being said, I can see how this mucks up the row only matrices. We can rename if (preferably when) we have NxM matrices. Good stuff. [[User:Pete.Hurd|Pete.Hurd]] 02:40, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:::Do you mean the bottom-left/top-right notation? I usually prefer that one for teaching, since it's more intuitive, but I saw various comments that it's not standard notation. In any case it's definitely codeable. I'd rather settle the name issue now before we start using it in too many articles. ~ [[User:Trialsanderrors|trialsanderrors]] 03:11, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
::::Yeah, bottom left\top right, I like that one best. If it were any of the others, I wouldn't think it worth the effort. ...not that I'm saying row\column is necessarily either. [[User:Pete.Hurd|Pete.Hurd]] 06:03, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:::::We might revisit abandoning bottom left/top right notation. I think one of the initial concerns was that the code was very ugly, but with a template this problem disappears. I'm pretty neutral on the two, personally. --''best, kevin'' [[[User:Kzollman|kzollman]]][[[User talk:Kzollman|talk]]] 06:46, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
::::::I just tried it but ran into problems because CSS doesn't recognize valign commands, so we would have to create a workaround. ~ [[User:Trialsanderrors|trialsanderrors]] 06:49, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:::::::What I did was create little tables inside of each cell. So for example:

{|border=0 align=center
| || 1
|-
|1 ||
|}

:::::::Would be one cell. Hence, incredibly ugly code :) --''best, kevin'' [[[User:Kzollman|kzollman]]][[[User talk:Kzollman|talk]]] 07:00, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

::::::::Ahhhh, I'd pull the rip-cord on this and move on to more productive things, one field is good enough for rock & roll... my 2c. [[User:Pete.Hurd|Pete.Hurd]] 22:31, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

==non-game theory use==
I've added a non-game theory use for this template at [[Common good (economics)]] (another article on goods that should be merged). ~ [[User:Trialsanderrors|trialsanderrors]] 16:05, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

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-:''Talk page moved from [[Template talk:2x2 game]]'' ~ [[User:Trialsanderrors|trialsanderrors]] 08:30, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
+{| id="Payoff matrix" style="background:white; float: {{{Float|right}}}; clear:right; text-align:center;" align={{{Float|right}}} cellspacing=0 cellpadding=8 width={{{Width|225}}}
-{{GameTheoryProject|class=NA|importance=mid}}
+This template allows simple construction of 2-player, 2-strategy [[Normal form game|payoff matrices]] in [[game theory]] and other articles.
-==deliberating==
+There are no required fields:
-A couple of things I've been deliberating:
+*<u>Strategies</u> '''1U''', '''1D''' default to "Up", "Down", '''2L''', '''2R''' to "Left", "Right".
-* Should the title of the game appear as a caption?
+*<u>Cell payoffs</u> '''UL''', '''UR''', '''DL''', '''DR''' all default to "0, 0".
-* Should [[payoff matrix]] appear somewhere in the template?
+*The <u>Name</u> field defaults to the page name.
-* Should the payoffs for both player appear in one field? (<tt>PayoffUL = 1, 2</tt>)
+*The <u>Float</u> field defaults to "right", but can also be set to "left" or "none" (for inline use).
-* Should the template be renamed "Template:Payoff matrix" to accommodate future expansion to 2x3 and 3x3 games?
+*The <u>Width</u> field defaults to "225" pixels (cell widths: 75|75|75), but can also be set to other absolute or percentage values.
-Any input is appreciated. ~ [[User:Trialsanderrors|trialsanderrors]] 00:42, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
-−
-:Hmm.  Here are my thought:
-:* Caption: I don't think its needed.  I like the title above better and both would be redundant.
-:* "Payoff matrix"  I don't know about others, but I usually wikilink payoff matrix when talking about it in the article, so this shouldn't be necessary
-:* Single field: This might not be a bad idea, it would enable other types of matrices (where only the row payoff is presented for instance, cf. [[Payoff matrix]]).
-:* The only nxn game matrix we have is on [[Nash equilibrium]], I think.  So, it might be more work than necessary.  Perhaps we should only cross this bridge if we need to.
-:None of my opinions are particularly strong, so if anyone has any strong opinions... --''best, kevin'' <b>[</b>[[User:Kzollman|kzollman]]<b>][</b>[[User talk:Kzollman|talk]]<b>]</b> 01:57, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
-−
-::I agree with Kevin here, except that I have a weak preference for payoff in separate fields.  That being said, I can see how this mucks up the row only matrices.  We can rename if (preferably when) we have NxM matrices.  Good stuff. [[User:Pete.Hurd|Pete.Hurd]] 02:40, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
-:::Do you mean the bottom-left/top-right notation? I usually prefer that one for teaching, since it's more intuitive, but I saw various comments that it's not standard notation. In any case it's definitely codeable. I'd rather settle the name issue now before we start using it in too many articles. ~ [[User:Trialsanderrors|trialsanderrors]] 03:11, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
-::::Yeah, bottom left\top right, I like that one best.  If it were any of the others, I wouldn't think it worth the effort. ...not that I'm saying row\column is necessarily either. [[User:Pete.Hurd|Pete.Hurd]] 06:03, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
-:::::We might revisit abandoning bottom left/top right notation.  I think one of the initial concerns was that the code was very ugly, but with a template this problem disappears.  I'm pretty neutral on the two, personally.  --''best, kevin'' <b>[</b>[[User:Kzollman|kzollman]]<b>][</b>[[User talk:Kzollman|talk]]<b>]</b> 06:46, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
-::::::I just tried it but ran into problems because CSS doesn't recognize valign commands, so we would have to create a workaround. ~ [[User:Trialsanderrors|trialsanderrors]] 06:49, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
-:::::::What I did was create little tables inside of each cell.  So for example:
-−
-{|border=0 align=center
-| || 1
-|-
-|1 ||
-|}
-:::::::Would be one cell. Hence, incredibly ugly code :) --''best, kevin'' <b>[</b>[[User:Kzollman|kzollman]]<b>][</b>[[User talk:Kzollman|talk]]<b>]</b> 07:00, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
+Standard matrix format:
-::::::::Ahhhh, I'd pull the rip-cord on this and move on to more productive things, one field is good enough for rock & roll... my 2c. [[User:Pete.Hurd|Pete.Hurd]] 22:31, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
+Default color for all cells is white. To color the cells, include [[Web colors|color labels]] (e.g. "silver" or "#C0C0C0") in the '''ULc''', '''URc''', '''DLc''' and '''DRc''' fields:
-==non-game theory use==
+[[Category:Game templates|{{PAGENAME}}]]
-I've added a non-game theory use for this template at [[Common good (economics)]] (another article on goods that should be merged). ~ [[User:Trialsanderrors|trialsanderrors]] 16:05, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
+</noinclude>

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